John Q – Who is most criminal? (Deliberation 2)

We have reached the point where we have widdled down our criminal suspects.  Now you must present your case: who is most criminal from the movie John Q: John Q or Tuck Lampley?  Explain.

88 Comments

  1. r31d said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    clark thats not rlevant

  2. ljanellichina said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    not me i dont do illegal activities

  3. mase4 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    well clark do you use limewire?

  4. har91harks said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Tuck lampley commited treason. He intercepted police information which is a governement based agency. john q did this for good reason with an unloaded gun. he is criminal but tuck lampley is most criminal.

  5. spano83 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    John is most criminal because he did a much miore criminla action than tuck lampley

    • r31d said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm

      prove it

  6. r31d said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Tuck lampley committed treason and he was infleuinced by captilalsim which is realy the main criminal here so heres obviosly the most criminal

    • spano83 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm

      it wasn’t treson because he wasn’t going to harm our nation with it. WASSATTT!!!

      • r31d said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

        how do u know that???!!!??? he could of used it as blackmail

      • spano83 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm

        how can he blackmail with that

  7. blanchardglobal3 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    I am sorry Mr. Kleinberg. Capitalism is NOT on trial. Please decide between the two suspects left.

  8. ljanellichina said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    John Q is clearly more criminal than Tuck. First of all Tuck didnt threaten to kill anyone and he didnt hold innocent people hostage iin a hospital.

  9. mase4 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Agreed John q comitted a felony wich is a major crime

  10. mitchellbuchan said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    I agree that John Q and Tuck Lampley are both criminals. But I still think that John Q is the most criminal.

  11. clarkr said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Tuck Lampley did not do anything. He didn’t do a thing. I hope everyone remembers that his assistant, his video camera guy was doing everything for Tuck Lampley. Tuck was simply not doing anything but tell him to do it. So intercepting police information would be the fault of Tuck’s assistant.

  12. kranzdertraumer said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Loving your family is not a crime. John is innocent.

    • clarkr said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm

      Loving ones family doesn’t mean you take hostages to protect his life.

      • kranzdertraumer said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

        Why not? If that’s what he had to do, then so be it.

      • spano83 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm

        so just because i love my family i can go around commiting crimes. thats just stupid.

    • spano83 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

      yea but holding hostages and threatening their lives is.

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

        Fine if it has to be done. Ok then you need to be willing to get the consequences. He is a criminal and saying that he is protecting his family isn’t an excuse.

  13. blanchardglobal3 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    However Mr. DiPalma and Ms. Janelli, did Mr. Lampley prosper from Mr. Archibald’s actions? Isn’t that criminal. For example, if a robber steals from a bank and I happen upon some money from that robber, isn’t that a crime as well?

  14. r31d said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Mr Blanch i just did what you told i said tuck was INFLEUNCED by captilasim besides im sure if we watch the end of the movie Tuck is arrested for treson and john is let go

  15. blanchardglobal3 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Mr. Buchan – please explain why.

  16. har91harks said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    the spanish woman, along with all the other hostages said he was a good man. How could he be so criminal if he’s good? he did commit a crime but tuck is the real criminal. Treason is not acceptable. Tuck deserves 50-life

    • clarkr said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

      Just because someone is a good person doesn’t mean he is not a criminal. If i held hostages in the school because they a teacher didn’t give me a grade i wanted. i am a good person but i would still be a criminal.

      • blanchardglobal3 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:20 pm

        Mr. Ruiz,

        However, the character of your person does come into account when it is time for a punishment to be given to you. So then, does being a good person matter?

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm

        Right but being a good person doesn’t exempt you from being a criminal does it?

      • spano83 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm

        well, i wantwed to say something her, but clarrk said it fine for me

    • blanchardglobal3 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm

      Granted. But it does at times. Consider the followng:

      Murder in self-defense
      Assault/Battery as self-defense
      Hitting someone with an automobile (but staying ont the scene/no drunk)
      Killing during war

      In short, there are times when defending your life and protecting who you are COULD redefine what a crime is or isn’t/

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm

        Ok Chris Brown had no other criminal charges but he beat Rihanna. He acted in a way where he was defiantly considered a criminal. But he was a good guy right?

      • r31d said,

        December 3, 2009 at 7:16 pm

        he beat his girlfriend how is he a good guy???

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 8:17 pm

        He was a good guy before he did it right? Isn’t that the same thing with John Q?

  17. ljanellichina said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    That is not a crime if you didntknow that he stole the money. You didnt do the illegal crime so you should not be put at fault.

    • spano83 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:14 pm

      agreed with lauren

  18. thejiminator said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    The police were most criminal because they gave in to the demands of john q and thus they put the hostages at risk.

    • blanchardglobal3 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

      Mr. Dromm,

      We’re past the point of concluding that the police were guilty. We have already suggested that they are one of the least involved parties. Keep up.

      • thejiminator said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:16 pm

        you got it dude

  19. blanchardglobal3 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Mr. Kleinberg

    Treason is: a crime that undermines the offender’s government

    In what way(s) did Lampley undermine his government? Explain.

    • r31d said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

      he and his oranziation (which he was the leader of) hacked a police video and stole it to use for his own wants not only is that illegal for tampering with the police but its illegal because he can now use that video to harm the government

      • spano83 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:16 pm

        how will that video harm the government?

      • ljanellichina said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm

        exactly the video will not harm the government everyone knows about whats going on anyway

      • r31d said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm

        actualy that video can be used as evidence in a court case so while it may not be treason its deffintly messing with police stuff felony, and tampering with evidence- a felony

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 8:19 pm

        How exactly is it tampering with evidence? What evidence was this video tape exactly?

  20. ljanellichina said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    yea the people say hes a good person because he let them go, because the police man threatened him.

    • spano83 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:14 pm

      agrere with lauren

  21. mase4 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Mr. Blanchard,

    That may be true but John Q is the hub of the whole scene he is the one that is giving tuck lampley something to talk about, so why should an inocent news reporter be acused of being a criminal

    • har91harks said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:14 pm

      treason mase

      • mase4 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

        was lampley trying to overthrow the government Hary

      • spano83 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

        how is he going to harm people with this information harry? explain

    • mase4 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:16 pm

      thanks

    • har91harks said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm

      He is undermining the rules of a government agency, he’s harming the laws the colonist put in to protect the people of the U.S.A.

      • r31d said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:20 pm

        yessssss

    • blanchardglobal3 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm

      So Mr. Dipalma,

      Paparazzi cannot be convicted of any crimes simply because they are covering newsworthy people. They have the right to speed, invade people’s privacy, cause unsafe conditions, etc? Consider the argument you’re making. What you seem to be suggesting is that people watching someone committing an action have NO responsiblity or possbility of committing additional infractions. Is that true.

      • blanchardglobal3 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:18 pm

        By the way, that’s me being sarcastic.

      • mase4 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm

        Mr. Blanchard,

        I never said that they cant be convicted of any crimes, its just today the paparazzi is biast in their reporting, that dosent mean they want to commit a major crime like treason, they just do the things they do to get viewers and be liked by the people

  22. mase4 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Jimmy be quite you agree with me and you know it

  23. kranzdertraumer said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    It must have been a very sad day when humans learned how to legitamize killing children.
    “Kann man herzen qualen? Kann man herzen stehlen?”
    -Till Lindemann
    translation- Can you torture hearts? Can you steal hearts?

    • clarkr said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:18 pm

      No one is killing a child.There was no intention of killing his son. If you don’t have the money i’m sorry you can’t have a heart. And anyway how does this prove John or Tuck to be more criminal?

    • r31d said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:18 pm

      huh?

      • r31d said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:19 pm

        is that german???

      • spano83 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm

        vietnameese reid

      • r31d said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm

        looks like german but thats not important what is, is that tuck was trying to mess with the police investigation and in the procces putting the hostigaes in danger

      • spano83 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm

        how? reid

    • spano83 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:18 pm

      yes you can, by using a gun and trhreatening them

      • r31d said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:20 pm

        HE WAS GOUING TO KILL HIMSELF AND NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!

      • spano83 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm

        u don’t know that. plus he still put peoples lives in danger

      • kranzdertraumer said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm

        Also by taking away what humans need. What if Mickey had died? Wouldn’t it be the hospital’s fault? If his mother never got to hold him again, or be able to see him grow up, isn’t thart worse than holding a couple people hostage, who supported John in the end?

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm

        Once again how is that saying that Tuck is a criminal?

    • ljanellichina said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm

      his kid was gonna die either way, the people were lying to John Q they arent gonna give him a heart.

    • kranzdertraumer said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm

      I am simply saying, that John is the most innocent person on the list. To say otherwise would be an injustice to his loving, determined soul.

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:26 pm

        Maybe he is the most innocent but he is also criminal. He did the worst thing for the best matter

    • kranzdertraumer said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm

      And no, it is german

  24. clarkr said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Tuck Lampley did not do anything. He didn’t do a thing. I hope everyone remembers that his assistant, his video camera guy was doing everything for Tuck Lampley. Tuck was simply not doing anything but tell him to do it. So intercepting police information would be the fault of Tuck’s assistant.

    • ljanellichina said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:18 pm

      you are crazyy…you are completly right

      • har91harks said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:19 pm

        tuck, is part of this though and since his assistant is not on trial, tuck has to be held responsible for his actions

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm

        So what your saying Harry is that Tuck is being blamed for something he didn’t do?

    • spano83 said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:19 pm

      AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

      • mase4 said,

        December 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm

        Why should tuck be held responsible if you said it yourself it was his assistant

    • blanchardglobal3 said,

      December 4, 2009 at 1:18 pm

      Mr. Ruiz,

      Haven’t you ever been so mad that you told someone that you were going to “kill that person”? Is that a crime?

  25. mase4 said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    OH YEAH!!!!

  26. har91harks said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Treason is a greater crime the holding a couple of people hostage. when did john say he was going to kill them? Tuck commited a crime that is unacceptable to the government and its people

  27. ljanellichina said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    no.

  28. mitchellbuchan said,

    December 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    John Q went into the hospital with a plan. His plan was to get his son on the list no matter what it took to do this. He brought a gun, chains and a lock. He took the E.R. under lockdown. He locked all the doors with the chain and lock. He then showed everyone he had a gun. No one knew that it wasn’t loaded but he still threatened everyone that he would kill them. Even though he didn’t kill anyone he still held all the people together in the E.R. this is called false imprisonment.
    Tuck told his news co-worker to get the video feed from what the police were watching. He put the feed on live TV so all people could see John Q getting shot.
    John Q is still the most criminal

    • har91harks said,

      December 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm

      when did he say he was going to kill them? quotes from the movie..?

      • r31d said,

        December 3, 2009 at 7:20 pm

        exactley theirs a direct quote from john saying that he wasn’t going to kill anyone. Tuck had his assitant hack a police video so he could show it to people but by doing that hes tampering with what could have pottentialy been john’s trial. THEIR IS CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT TUCK IS COMMITTING MULTIPLE CRIMES WHERE THERE IS SHADY EVIDENCE OF JOHN COMMITTING ONE CRIME.

      • clarkr said,

        December 3, 2009 at 8:23 pm

        John Q “If you don’t get my son’s name on that list i start killing hostages.” Is this not a quote saying he is going to kill people?

  29. ljanellichina said,

    December 3, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    The TV guy is not most criminal…He put what was happening on live television (actually his assistant did but whatever), and John Q held people hostage and threatened to kill all of them. I don’t know about you but I consider that to be a more criminal act.


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